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Quality/Moderate Price Equipment Recomandations?

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G-Force - 03 Dec 2004 23:07 GMT
My son (15yrs) and I (42yrs) are taking a PADI Course here in SE Florida
and will be shopping for new equipment in the $3000 price range for both.

  Since we are new to diving we are not yet sure how much diving we will be
doing.
Our max budget now is $3000 excluding the basics (Mask, Snorkel, Fins).

  It seems obvious that Net Shops are cheaper even those with Factory
Warranty,
but would prefer to buy locally for ease of service if I can find a good
bargain.

 We are doing our PADI cert with a small dive shop that has barely any
items
on display but he is a certified
-  GENESIS
-  SHERWOOD
-  AKONA
-  BARE
shop that can order any above items at decent Mark Up compared to most
shops
in the MIAMI-LAUDERDALE-PALM BCH area that seem to have their
merchandise prices set at 100% and over.
Especially SCUBAPRO-AQUALUNG dealers.

We are looking to purchase:

- BCD Jacket Style w/Weight Integration
- REGULATOR (balanced 1st & 2nd stage)
- OCTO
- COMPUTER Console
- WETSUIT Fullsuit 3mm
- TANK

QUESTION:

1)   Are the the brands my Instructor selling
                       - Good Quality
                       - Reliablity
                       - Value

2)   Or are other brands better for the money we can afford to spend?

3)   Should I just go with Net Shops and get high end stuff for the same
price
    we would spend at a local shop
    -or is -
   dealer service more important for warranty repairs and exchanges?

Any suggestion would really be appreciated in our first DIVE into this Sport
:-)

Thank You
John Davidson - 04 Dec 2004 01:27 GMT
The stuff you have listed isn't bad for rec. diving.  The web stuff may save
money in the short run, BUT when warrnity<sp> work is needed ' Who ya goina
call?' The advantage to buying from Local Dive Shop is air fills and
personal service. Try buying fills on the net. Not used to USD prices but
you should be able to buy most of your gear for that $ amount. Just don't
expect top o' line tech gear. Check w/ LDS owner for good 2nd hand gear and/
or swap meets. Get to know some local divers and see what they use /
recommend.
Welcome to the Sport . Dive Safe.
Karl Denninger - 04 Dec 2004 01:39 GMT
>My son (15yrs) and I (42yrs) are taking a PADI Course here in SE Florida
>and will be shopping for new equipment in the $3000 price range for both.
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>
>Thank You

Don't buy dick until you get certified.  Use rental gear.

Then find someone who will let you try a Backplate and Wing set up for a
single.  You really ought to try this before you go jacking around with
some recreational BC crap.

Second, on the regs.  There are good brands out there.  I personally
prefer Apeks.  SPs are also good.  The rest?  Well, there are other
quality makes, but why screw around?  Indeed, if you want two reg setups,
I have 'em and am selling them - both set up for recreational diving -
just add a SPG and/or computer and they're ready to go.  Email me for more
info on them.

Wetsuits are easy.  Go find out what fits.  

The "standard tank" is the AL80.  If you don't mind the extra money, I'd
recommend a PST E7-100 instead.  About the same weight, more gas, and its
steel, so you can take some weight off the belt.  They're killer singles,
and if you go further, you can double them for decent midrange (e.g.
ocean) doubles.

As for computers, that's a user decision more than anything else.  Find
people with them and play on the surface to see if you like/can deal  with
the user interface.  I like my Vytec (Suunto), but its expensive and too
conservative for some.   Whatever you buy, don't get a computer that can't
do Nitrox - you'll be pissed if you do Nitrox later and have to toss the
computer.

There's a DiversDirect somewhat near you - they're changing their name to
"World Watersports" - go find them.  They have decent prices on wetsuits,
specifically - since those are a "fit" item and something you need for the
class.

There's a good start.

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Richard Faulkner - 04 Dec 2004 12:29 GMT
>Don't buy dick until you get certified.  Use rental gear.
>
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>
>There's a good start.

But dont forget.........

"Don't buy dick until you get certified.  Use rental gear."

You might not like diving.

You WILL buy something you want to change after you've started diving.

I'm up to the dizzy heights of 22 dives, bought all of my own kit after
11 dives, and wish I had bought a lighter BC for travelling, and a
digital camera rather than a 35mm.

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Dave C - 04 Dec 2004 17:23 GMT
> My son (15yrs) and I (42yrs) are taking a PADI Course here in SE Florida
> and will be shopping for new equipment in the $3000 price range for both.
>    Since we are new to diving we are not yet sure how much diving we will be
> doing.
> Our max budget now is $3000 excluding the basics (Mask, Snorkel, Fins).
SNIP
> but would prefer to buy locally for ease of service if I can find a good
> bargain.
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>  shop that can order any above items at decent Mark Up compared to most
> shops
SNIP
> We are looking to purchase:
>
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>      -or is -
>     dealer service more important for warranty repairs and exchanges?

I think most NEW divers are well-served by buying standard gear from
their local shop, even at somewhat higher prices, if that shop can
provide reasonable value and good service, support and guidance, which
a newbie often needs. Our local shop is excellent and has prices only
about 10 to 15% higher than found on the internet (including
shipping). They are happy to discount further for package deals. How's
yours compare?

Ask some experienced local divers about the shop's viability and
quality of service, their selection of gear, their relative prices,
etc. They'll know if the shop is a good one.

In general, I think it's very difficult for a new diver to tweak his
choices of gear up to some concept of optimum, so I'd recommend going
with standard scuba gear and brands like you've mentioned, all of
which have excellent reputations. I'm a big fan of Sherwood regulators
for reliability, value and ease of servicing. Jacket-style BCD's work
fine. You may go for years without wanting to make any changes in your
gear.

HTH

Dave C    (Please note- the above email address is defunct)

Source, supplier of unscented, oil-free PURE TALC, compatible with
drysuit latex seals. If interested, contact
dcalderbankATcheshireDOTnet, or check eBay listings (eBay ID:
dave4868). Thanks.
 
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