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Justin Champion - 15 Oct 2004 23:26 GMT
I have noticed that Suunto have released a new computer a D9, does anyone
know if they are intending to releasee any more models in the near future ?

THnaks,

Justin.

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Tony Howard - 17 Oct 2004 16:38 GMT
Why?

What features are missing from the current models?

The main feature missing from most dive computers (and all other equipment)
is a large portion of common sense and use of existing (free) grey matter.

If you think that there are no dive computers that currently fit your
requirements you are either:

1. Wanting something that is not needed.

2. Realising that there is no substitute for clear thinking, self reliance,
good planning and discipline.

Hopefully it is the second of those options that is foremost.

Diesel.
Adam Helberg - 18 Oct 2004 00:26 GMT
> Why?
>
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> Diesel.

Computers will continue to improve with better guidance, correction of errors, ease
of use, readability, battery life, etc.

Adam
Tony Howard - 18 Oct 2004 12:51 GMT
> Computers will continue to improve with better guidance, correction of
> errors, ease of use, readability, battery life, etc.
>
> Adam
Your time and money would be far better spent improving your diving skills,
improving fitness and getting a comprehensive understanding of decompression
instead of relying on electronic gizmos to do it for you.   If it fails
during a dive what are you going to do then?

The only computer you can rely on (hopefully) is the one between your ears.

If you are worried about the computer algorithms being updated as we get a
better understanding of hyperbaric physiology, then PC based computer
programmes such as Decoplanner, Zplanner, Proplanner and many others, are
far more likely to be available with new programming than those hard coded
into a dive computer.

To my knowledge the only software upgradeable wrist computer currently made
is the VR3 by Abysmal, and even, as it's another bit of electronics, is not
100% reliable.

In addition, due to the variability of each individual divers physiology and
susceptibility to a DCI, be it Nitrogen or Oxygen related, the algorithms
used in decompression software (irrelevant of make or model) make these
small differences insignificant.

More recent models of dive computer use variations of RGBM, Gradient factors
and other 'deep stop' calculations and are more conservative than the older
models, but in the final analysis, whether you get bent is largely down to
you the diver, NOT the bit of electronics.

Learn about decompression, get fit (lower BMI) and increased cardiovascular
performance, and dive safely.
Dan Bracuk - 19 Oct 2004 00:28 GMT
"Tony Howard" <tony@samesamediving.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:Your time and money would be far better spent improving your diving skills,
:improving fitness and getting a comprehensive understanding of decompression
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
:Learn about decompression, get fit (lower BMI) and increased cardiovascular
:performance, and dive safely.

If your computer fails during a dive, all the understanding of deco
theory in the world is not going to help you if you were not keeping
track of your profile as you go along.  There might be some people out
there who want to do that, but I ain't one of them.

Dan Bracuk
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Adam Helberg - 20 Oct 2004 05:10 GMT
> "Tony Howard" <tony@samesamediving.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
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>
> Dan Bracuk

If you're really concerned about the computer failing you can take another as a
backup. I see some people doing that. They're compact and not that expensive.

Adam
nospam@all.please.net - 20 Oct 2004 05:22 GMT
>> "Tony Howard" <tony@samesamediving.com> pounded away at his keyboard
>> resulting in:
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>
> Adam

Good plan.
Alan Street - 20 Oct 2004 06:19 GMT
> >> If your computer fails during a dive, all the understanding of deco
> >> theory in the world is not going to help you if you were not keeping
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Good plan.

But not enough, right :-)
Justin Champion - 19 Oct 2004 23:33 GMT
Thanks for the disucussion.  I was asking becuase there is nothing worse
than buying a current model to find out that a new one is planned in a
couple of months time.  There is nothing wrong with the current models, but
you can always imporve on them, there was nothing wrong with cars 30 years
ago, but now they are a lot better in terms of technology

Justin.

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> I have noticed that Suunto have released a new computer a D9, does anyone
> know if they are intending to releasee any more models in the near future ?
>
> THnaks,
>
> Justin.
 
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