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Looking for opinions on the dacor rig pro back inflate

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Acropolis - 15 Sep 2004 22:41 GMT
I am looking at buying my first BCD and found this model.
wondering what people who have tried this rig think of it.

Cheers and Thnx
Rudy Benner - 16 Sep 2004 00:37 GMT
>I am looking at buying my first BCD and found this model.
> wondering what people who have tried this rig think of it.
>
> Cheers and Thnx

If I was buying my first BCD, I would first go here
http://www.oxycheq.com/main.html then to
http://www.oxycheq.com/Bouyancy.html where I would select a wing like the
http://www.oxycheq.com/Wings-Single.html possibly a #30 and then I would go
to http://www.oxycheq.com/backplates.html where I would select one of the
plates and a single tank adapter.

You would then have a BCD without pockets and gadgets, something that will
adapt to any kind of diving, something that has little drag in the water.

For weight, I would get the Weight & Trim 2 from here.
http://www.dui-online.com/newsite/bc_wt.htm

This is exactly the type of setup I dive with. Very nice.

R.
Dan Bracuk - 20 Sep 2004 02:35 GMT
"Rudy Benner" <bogus@address.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:You would then have a BCD without pockets

What's wrong with pockets?

Dan Bracuk
Is it my imagination, or do Buffalo Wings taste like chicken?
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
Nash  Hon - 29 Sep 2004 18:12 GMT
I think I'll bite on this one too. What's wrong with pockets?
Alan Street - 16 Sep 2004 01:03 GMT
> I am looking at buying my first BCD and found this model.
> wondering what people who have tried this rig think of it.

It appeals to people who like to refer to their BC as a "Rig" and don't
know enough to realize how stupid that makes them look.
Acropolis - 16 Sep 2004 02:58 GMT
wow.. what a nice way for someone, who I am assuming is a diver, to welcome
someone to the sport/hobby. Excuse me for my ignorance, but that doesn't
lessen the fact that you are arrogant a.s and if that is the kind of people
that I am going to meet while I am diving , then I rather stay home and
watch TV and speak to morons ( like you) on the internet.
The dacor line of BCD has several "rigs" in the name of the units. I am new
to the hobby and surely wouldn't expect you to be well versed in what I do
for a living or as hobbies.

your doing a fine job as an ambassador to the sport, keep up the good work,
troll.

> ? I am looking at buying my first BCD and found this model.
> ? wondering what people who have tried this rig think of it.
> ?
>
> It appeals to people who like to refer to their BC as a "Rig" and don't
> know enough to realize how stupid that makes them look.
Popeye NCAT3 - 16 Sep 2004 06:53 GMT
>From: "Acropolis" forsale@NOCRAPeasybikers.com
>Date: 9/15/2004 9:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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>to the hobby and surely wouldn't expect you to be well versed in what I do
>for a living or as hobbies.

 <snicker>

 Wait'll this guy runs into an actual a.shole.

>your doing a fine job as an ambassador to the sport, keep up the good work,
>troll.

 I hope you live.

>> ? I am looking at buying my first BCD and found this model.
>> ? wondering what people who have tried this rig think of it.
>> ?
>>
>> It appeals to people who like to refer to their BC as a "Rig" and don't
>> know enough to realize how stupid that makes them look.

               
                                   Popeye  
 No matter how liberated this world becomes, man will always  
   be judged by the amount of alcohol he can consume and
 women, whether they like to admit it or not, will be impressed.
Alan Street - 17 Sep 2004 05:17 GMT
> wow.. what a nice way for someone, who I am assuming is a diver, to welcome
> someone to the sport/hobby. Excuse me for my ignorance, but that doesn't
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> your doing a fine job as an ambassador to the sport, keep up the good work,
> troll.

Troll?

I have to smile when newbies learn a new word and almost use it
correctly. It restores my faith in Microsoft's ability to bring the
Internet to people who would otherwise be debating the merits of
Britney Spears vs. Christina Aguilera.

As for "The Rig," I seem to have struck a nerve. Let me guess - You
aren't really asking for honest opinions about this BC, are you? You've
actually already bought one, both because the shop monkey/ette
recommended it (i.e., they unloaded a slow moving, high margin piece of
kit on a clueless newbie), and because you believe that gear with a
macho sounding name and 24 D-rings is what other "real" divers use. Am
I right?

But since you're looking for ambassadorships into the diving world,
I'll offer you a couple pieces of advice.

First, go to  <www.scubaboard.com> and tell people how you're a serious
diver who's just bought "The Rig." You'll get all the politically
correct and quasi-positive reinforcement you so desperately crave. You
can also post about how mean and unfriendly people were to you on
rec.scuba. You'll be their hero. And if you really want to make a good
impression, tell them how Popeye was mean to you. That might even get
you a personal reply and ratings boost from NetDoc.

Second, don't expect to find real diving "ambassadorships" (whatever
that term means) on-line. Anywhere. Most of us here dive a lot, but
posting here is more of a pastime among people who are already
entrenched in the diving world (and sometimes want to pimp their
wares). You get credibility in the diving world by diving. Join a dive
club and get wet every weekend.

Alan
Brian Nadwidny - 17 Sep 2004 08:11 GMT
Clap, clap, clap.

Great post.

Brian

Edmonton, Alberta
www.mossmanscuba.com

> > wow.. what a nice way for someone, who I am assuming is a diver, to welcome
> > someone to the sport/hobby. Excuse me for my ignorance, but that doesn't
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>
> Alan
Alan Street - 17 Sep 2004 20:40 GMT
> Clap, clap, clap.
>
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> Edmonton, Alberta
> www.mossmanscuba.com

Thank you, sir. Coming from you, it's a high compliment.

Alan

> > > wow.. what a nice way for someone, who I am assuming is a diver, to
> > welcome
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> >
> > Alan
Acropolis - 17 Sep 2004 22:32 GMT
> ? wow.. what a nice way for someone, who I am assuming is a diver, to
> welcome
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>
> Alan

Well let me start with this
troll

v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To
utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase
"trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream
"trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a
likely spot hoping for a bite.

Which as far as I am concerned was your intent on the original post. I might
be a newbie to diving, but I am far from being a newbie to the internet.

In answer to your question, no I have not bought a BCD yet. I was asking for
information on this particular model because I can get an exceptional price
on it brand new.Our divemaster/instructor thought it might be a good unit
for me considering my height and weight. I am trying to gather some
information on equipment and make an educated decision on gear that I don't
want to have to replace in 6 months because it is not what I wanted. I don't
want anyone to boost my ego and I don't like making rash decisions on
equipment that I will entrust with my life. I, like everyone I guess, like
to get the most bang for my buck. I don't mind spending the money I need to
use, but cant see myself throwing it away needlessly.

That being said, I am here to learn. I am doing my open waters next weekend,
and will likely use an other rental of a different make and model. Hoping to
try a zeagle ranger with back inflate to see if its what I like.

And lastly, my intent is to try and get as much diving in as possible. Just
the pool dives are awesome and I cant wait to see what the oceans off Nova
Scotia have to offer. I already have plans made to do my advanced course in
the spring and see what happens from there. my goal is to do some wreck
diving in our area.

cheers

Eric
Brian Nadwidny - 17 Sep 2004 22:49 GMT
> In answer to your question, no I have not bought a BCD yet. I was asking for
> information on this particular model because I can get an exceptional price
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> to get the most bang for my buck. I don't mind spending the money I need to
> use, but cant see myself throwing it away needlessly.

Then don't buy the Rig and don't listen to that particular shop monkey.
Any shop monkey that recommends the rig doesn't have a clue.

> That being said, I am here to learn. I am doing my open waters next weekend,
> and will likely use an other rental of a different make and model. Hoping to
> try a zeagle ranger with back inflate to see if its what I like.

Ooh boy.

> And lastly, my intent is to try and get as much diving in as possible. Just
> the pool dives are awesome and I cant wait to see what the oceans off Nova
> Scotia have to offer.

Ah...NS. That would explain the advice.

> I already have plans made to do my advanced course in
> the spring and see what happens from there. my goal is to do some wreck
> diving in our area.

f.ck the courses. There is a club in Halifax called the Aqualantics.
Look them up and go diving.

Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
Rudy Benner - 18 Sep 2004 00:07 GMT
> Well let me start with this
> troll
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>
> Eric

Skip the Zeagle Ranger, get the BP/Wing setup instead. I have already posted
the details of how to assemble one in a previous posting, or you can buy one
at an inflated price from Halcyon, or DiveRite or OMS.
Or you can buy my well used Ranger, sized for a big fellow. Make me an offer
in Kanukistan Dollars.

R.
Alan Street - 18 Sep 2004 04:28 GMT
> > Troll?
> >
> > I have to smile when newbies learn a new word and almost use it
> > correctly. It restores my faith in Microsoft's ability to bring the
> > Internet to people who would otherwise be debating the merits of
> > Britney Spears vs. Christina Aguilera.

<snip>

> Well let me start with this
> troll
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> Which as far as I am concerned was your intent on the original post. I might
> be a newbie to diving, but I am far from being a newbie to the internet.

Well, I noticed you stopped top posting, so maybe some of that
experience is coming back.

But no, I'm definately not a troll. My first response to you was
brutally honest and the second was insulting (but somewhat clever and
with some good advice thrown in). Flame bait, perhaps, but since the
newbie had already identified himself, there was nothing to troll for
;-).  

As for diving -

A. Welcome to the sport. Keep at it and you'll have a blast

B. Welcome to rec.scuba. Stick around and you'll be a jaded bastard in
no time (slightly longer if you just stick to r.s.e & r.s.l).

C. Listen to Brian. He's forgotten more about recreational and
technical diving than 99% of the shop monkeys you're likely to meet,
especially at first.

Alan
TonyP - 18 Sep 2004 21:05 GMT
> In answer to your question, no I have not bought a BCD yet. I was asking for
> information on this particular model because I can get an exceptional price
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> to get the most bang for my buck. I don't mind spending the money I need to
> use, but cant see myself throwing it away needlessly.

I bought a SeaQuest Infinity BCD when I first started diving here in the
NY/LI/NJ area. I dove with that BCD for 5 years. It served me well as a
single tank w/pony attached. But, even with a steel 120 attached, I
wanted more bottom time. Went to backplate and wings and doubles. I can
configure it for any type of diving (including single tank). The cost
was slightly more than the Infinity BCD. But, I enjoyed diving with the
BCD. I still have it and take it to those warm water places that dive
single 80's. It works great. If I were doing it over again, I would have
spent the few extra dollars and gone backplate and wings. But then, I
didn't know any better, and the dive shop has to sell you something. The
shop also doesn't know if you are ever going to stick with diving. I did.

> That being said, I am here to learn. I am doing my open waters next weekend,
> and will likely use an other rental of a different make and model. Hoping to
> try a zeagle ranger with back inflate to see if its what I like.

Never dove the ranger. There are those that love it, those that hate it.
If you are ever thinking of diving doubles and slings in the future, get
a backplate and wings. Scott Koplin can hook you right up with quality
equipment that will last you the rest of your diving career.

> And lastly, my intent is to try and get as much diving in as possible. Just
> the pool dives are awesome and I cant wait to see what the oceans off Nova
> Scotia have to offer. I already have plans made to do my advanced course in
> the spring and see what happens from there. my goal is to do some wreck
> diving in our area.

Good for you. And diving in the environment where you live, I am sure
that doubles are almost a way of life. The mass merchandise BCDs (even
the techie looking ones) won't fit the bill, no matter how much the
store tries to sell you on them.
Backplate and wings. You won't go wrong.
tim@lasbynet1.com - 16 Oct 2004 00:02 GMT
I've been without usenet access for a few months and this is one of the
first posts I read upon re-acquiring service. Makes me realize what I
missed. Damn fine post!

Laser
Alan Street - 16 Oct 2004 01:56 GMT
> I've been without usenet access for a few months and this is one of the
> first posts I read upon re-acquiring service. Makes me realize what I
> missed. Damn fine post!
>
> Laser

Thanks, Tim. Welcome back!
 
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